Ian Brady wants to be...

Returned to Scotland according to Sky news...Personally I think the only place he should be going is hell, but there you go..If the government are daft enough to conceed to his wishes it should be on the understanding that he tells them where Keith Bennett actually lies.... then when that poor little boy is found they should change their mind..

He deserves NOTHING.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Moors-Murderer-Ian-Brady-Prison-Switch-Request-Al-Megrahi-Inspired-Killers-Bid-For-Scotland-Return/Article/200909215380872?f=rss

Agreed, before we know it anyone in prison with some scottish roots will want to be sent back there, after they made a mess of the libyans terrorists release everyone will fancy there chances at getting out, as for Brady well i get sick of hearing about these sorts of peoples rights, people forget what these animals did to those poor kids and the agony they have put these families through ever since, like you say may they Rot in Hell pity they did not still have hanging in this country as he would be there already.

I have to say I really don't get this whole compassionate grounds bit.. You don't become any less evil because you are sick or dying..

If you are guilty and you are given life it should mean life.. not life untill something happens and whoopsie daisy let em go they are poorly..

On the other hand, I don't agree with hanging, it doesn't sit comfortably with me to take a life.. too many people have been pardoned.. Innocent people.

Surely that would make us murderers too if the death penalty had been in place all these years?

jucyberry wrote:I have to say I really don't get this whole compassionate grounds bit.. You don't become any less evil because you are sick or dying..

If you are guilty and you are given life it should mean life.. not life untill something happens and whoopsie daisy let em go they are poorly..

On the other hand, I don't agree with hanging, it doesn't sit comfortably with me to take a life.. too many people have been pardoned.. Innocent people.

Surely that would make us murderers too if the death penalty had been in place all these years?

I do believe in Capital Punishment, i am not saying everyone who commits murder should be hung, but as in Bradys case where there was no doubt he was as guilty as sin showed no remorse for his crimes then he should have been hanged, its one of those things your either for it or against it, i do worry about the way this country is going, i honestly think there are far too many bleeding hearts, look at the two edlington youths who recently hit the headlines but who really is responsible for this happening, when i was there age i was still playing with action men. I know times have changed but when someone said after it happened that these sort of kids should be removed from there parents at birth to give them a better life he was shot down by the Government who said they did not want a country where that happened, yet they seem happy to want a country where kids are going out and trying there best to kill each other by the most sadistic means, i am starting to sound like someone from the far right so will end it here becauce i am not, i just dread to think what England will be like in another 10 years and some tough questions are going to have to be answered...

Brady's crimes were not in Scotland, there are absolutely no grounds to have him moved. Simple as that.

Dan_the_Owl wrote:Brady's crimes were not in Scotland, there are absolutely no grounds to have him moved. Simple as that.

Bet he will go down the line that his human rights are been abused as he is Scottish, and like i say the bleeding hearts will probably get there way and get him moved, nothing surprises me in this country anymore..

You have to wonder when exactly the rot began, corpral punishment was still in schools when we were there, the cane never did me any harm neither did the slipper.........................Primararily because I didn't misbehave so wasn't given them.

So much is made of the fact that kids have nothing to do these days, but we wern't blessed with an overabundance of things to do either, AND our bedrooms wern't chocerblock with every electrical gadget going. the tv was in the living room if we wanted to watch it we watched with our parents...

Perhaps that is part of the problem, these days kids are stuck in their rooms having virtually no interaction with their parents, you can't practice social skills on a computer game after all.

Respect for others seems to be dying in so many of todays kids, they know they have so much protection and use it. the days of the village bobby clipping you round the ear are long gone. now he would be the one up before the magistrates.

Punishment should fit the crime and time given should be time served not clipped away at so much that it becomes an insult to the victim.. and as for the boys from Edlington, well they were old enough to want their victims dead so they couldnt tell on them, so in my opinion they are old enough to know right from wrong, and so should have been dealt with accordingly...

what I would have liked to have seen though would have been their mother in the dock for being the person who raised her boys to be fit for nothing but thuggery and mayhem.

yorkie64red wrote:Agreed, before we know it anyone in prison with some scottish roots will want to be sent back there, after they made a mess of the libyans terrorists release everyone will fancy there chances at getting out, as for Brady well i get sick of hearing about these sorts of peoples rights, people forget what these animals did to those poor kids and the agony they have put these families through ever since, like you say may they Rot in Hell pity they did not still have hanging in this country as he would be there already.

Send him round to our house , I would gladly slit the sick fookers throat. My flesh creeps when I travel over Saddleworth Moors every now and then to see relatives in Cheshire.

jucyberry wrote:You have to wonder when exactly the rot began, corpral punishment was still in schools when we were there, the cane never did me any harm neither did the slipper.........................Primararily because I didn't misbehave so wasn't given them.

So much is made of the fact that kids have nothing to do these days, but we wern't blessed with an overabundance of things to do either, AND our bedrooms wern't chocerblock with every electrical gadget going. the tv was in the living room if we wanted to watch it we watched with our parents...

Perhaps that is part of the problem, these days kids are stuck in their rooms having virtually no interaction with their parents, you can't practice social skills on a computer game after all.

Respect for others seems to be dying in so many of todays kids, they know they have so much protection and use it. the days of the village bobby clipping you round the ear are long gone. now he would be the one up before the magistrates.

Punishment should fit the crime and time given should be time served not clipped away at so much that it becomes an insult to the victim.. and as for the boys from Edlington, well they were old enough to want their victims dead so they couldnt tell on them, so in my opinion they are old enough to know right from wrong, and so should have been dealt with accordingly...

what I would have liked to have seen though would have been their mother in the dock for being the person who raised her boys to be fit for nothing but thuggery and mayhem.

I can't add anything to that, you are spot on.

i agree with many points raised in this thread, but i also disagree with a few.

personally, my thoughts on brady....the only right he should have is to die. whether it be forced or not is a side issue. lol

i DO believe in capital punishment for rapists, peadophiles and murderers when the party is guilty beyond ANY doubt, not just a REASONABLE level.

while i do agree that children behave in a way they have been brought up, i dont personally think the parents should be held responsible for the things their kids do. as has been said, if they know right and wrong, they make a conscious decision to go down the "wrong" route.

as a child of the 90s i have to say i disagree with the whole issue about not being able to socialise in computer games etc. i would say my biggest form of socialising outside of work is gaming and/or these types of forums. it doesnt do me any harm, and its about being responsible enough to find a balance in your own life.

yes kids were more active in the past as they couldnt do the things we do inside now etc, but there is, as far as i can tell, absolutely NO scientific proof that playing games online with friends etc is detrimental to the mental well-being and/or development of a person when compared with some outdoor activity or another.

of course these are all purely my opinion

I think much would hinge on the mental state of the individual child...yes many tens of millions of children around the world have the capacity to understand that the violence perpetrated in these games is fiction, they aren't detatched from reality... But then again there are those who for one reason or another cannot make that seperation.

there have always sadly been children with socipathic tendacies, perhaps the boys from Edlington fall into that catagory..

Not all children are bad and for many it's a case of give a dog a bad name and hang the whole breed. We all want to believe we bring our own up to be better than that, and it is a relief of a kind when the family can be shown to be as 'dog rough' as the ones in Edlington,or in the case of karen Matthews, Dewsbury.. Then we can sit back complaicently and say, well kids by different dads, work shy scum ect is there any wonder..

so in that case if we play the blame game, is it our parents generation that is to blame, afterall, the children are the offspring of our peer group.......did they do something wrong in raising our generation? gets more complex the deeper you think doesn't it

it is too easy to blame the law, the government and uncle tom cobbley.. the buck has to stop with mum and dad.

Just on sky news now, 3 boys under 12 arrested in Bristol on suspicion of sexual assault, it just goes on and on, does nothing shock us anymore.

I don't really get this thing about Prisoners rights and protecting the Human rights of offenders.

If you break the law, especially something as heinous as Brady and Others did in my opinion you should have no rights at all.

You forfeit all rights when you carry out the crime

yeah thats the thing i was trying to get at, some children are "just that way". i dont know if its a nature or nuture thing, BUT i think that it's not always the parents fault if their child is a sociopath, i think some kids are that way.

some people would argue that if they were raised differently they wouldnt be a lunatic.

others would say there's nothing you can do about it.

regarding computer games you hit the nail on the head, it really irritates me when some 12 year old knifes his class mate after playing "hit man" and certain people start ranting "GET RID OF VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES!!!"...lets get some perspective people, the game has an 18 RATING for a reason. If he is playing it at 12, then THAT IS the fault of the parents, the child should not be playing a game with content that is too mature for their mind. of course every child is different, and i was playing games like that at that age because my mind was old enough to deal with it, if it hadnt have been im sure my parents would have known

at the same time i believe that if u cant differentiate between right and wrong...or even if you are a total nut job as a youngster, whether you are indoors playing video games, or out socialising in the "real world" for want of a better phrase, or playing football or whatever, i think you'll go down the same slippery slope, if not at the same time.

Comes down to the old debate:' is it Nature or nurture'? Is a child born bad or is it affected by its surroundings and the culture it is brough up in.

should kids automaticall be take away from people who are seen as unfit parents or should social services wait and see how the child progresses?

i think the problem with "nature vs nuture" is that people state it as if there is a definite answer. i disagree. i believe that BOTH factor into a childs upbringing, and NEITHER is solely responsible for anything bad that happens to that person.

I think if a child is brought up in a loving and stable background then it will thrive and hopefully become a decent person.

I don't think it is solely down to finances. Many kids have been brought up with nothing and gone on to great things while kids who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth have gone on to be quite the opposite.

I dispair for the kids of today, they are children for such a very short time now.. Little girl dress as provocatively as the average streetwalker and you cannot tell me it is because they buy their own clothes...I remember when my daughter was young enough to shop in Tammy girl...They were selling cat suits for 11year olds..Kids are old before their time now, on the outside at least.it is so sad, not to mention dangerous..Sex sells even for the ten to sixteen bracket, is it by chance that Brittany Spears burst onto the scene dressed as a provocative schoolgirl? Mixed messages for peadophiles...A distortion of what hurts and what kills in video games and horror films.. To the normal mind these may be just images, but to the ones whose sense of good and bad is blurred it may be something else entirely...

which brings me to the main point. you cant take away the video games, take away the britneys, (ok you can keep the catsuits) because all you are doing then is making the world a hell of a lot less interesting.

basically all that would do is punish the "normal" folk for absolutely nothing, for fear of someone with a mental issue, or a hazy perception of right and wrong seeing it. that isnt fair. the world is too PC already, it doesn't need making worse.

times change, its one of those things, and the grass isnt always greener, etc etc etc, i could cliche all day but iv got eat something and set off to west brom shortly, lol

Look at these new proposals for people who are having the shortest contact with kids.

Even if you are only dropping them off at sports or other events you need to be vetted and have CRB checks.

Eventually no one is going to volunteer to work with kids becasue of the attention it brings upon them.

We have gone too far now. Kids are growing up in fear of Adults when they should be looking up to them as role models. It's PC gone mad. Everyone suffers for the crimes of the few. And eventually the kids will suffer as well.

the CRB checks only find what a person has been found out about. What about all the ones who dont get caught then all of a sudden something happens and a dead child.

thornabyred wrote:the CRB checks only find what a person has been found out about. What about all the ones who dont get caught then all of a sudden something happens and a dead child.

Really interesting debate, I hope this is the start of many.........very illuminating.

I work in education and its a real eye-opener. I remember being told in the first year that children frequently know all their rights and none of their responsibilities and largely thats true. The number of kids who come in saying 'you can't do anything to me' is astounding. We try to teach accountability in that yes you have a right to say something but you are accountable for what you say but the majority of parents just don't back this up

I'm not saying education is perfect but if a child has been allowed to run riot at home what chance do teachers have for 35 hours a week to change this?

VixDRFC wrote:I work in education and its a real eye-opener. I remember being told in the first year that children frequently know all their rights and none of their responsibilities and largely thats true. The number of kids who come in saying 'you can't do anything to me' is astounding. We try to teach accountability in that yes you have a right to say something but you are accountable for what you say but the majority of parents just don't back this up

I'm not saying education is perfect but if a child has been allowed to run riot at home what chance do teachers have for 35 hours a week to change this?

i believe that educating young children to be responsible, polite, confident youngsters starts right from day1. Well-instilled disciplines from the beginning will allow children to nurture properly and., discipline breeds confidence and security. Once instilled that will allow almost any child to develop their potential to the full if supported by best practise teaching methods in a well-disciplined environment.
In other words , I believe 'loved' not pampered children can achieve great heights when parents and teachers work together as one.
The unfortunate thing is that many parents and teachers have lost their way and therefore lost their charges.

Hang him!