Development

http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=240904.90

Finally things i was saying would happen 18 months are starting to happen

No they're not.

Silent Majority can never be wrong... Even though he was wrong about Flitcroft, and then banned/muted 'pubteam' for being correct.

Silent Majority wrote:No they're not.

So martin you are saying there will be no development on the site? If not would you like a wager on it?

donnyroversfc wrote:Silent Majority can never be wrong... Even though he was wrong about Flitcroft, and then banned/muted 'pubteam' for being correct.

If you insist on posting incorrect information then I should have a right to reply.

I didn't get anything wrong about Flitcroft, I expressed an opinion that pubteam took as fact and then decided to deride me for it. I sent him a pm explaining where I got the information from ( the CEO at Barnsley is my next door neighbour and we discuss football on a regular basis) his response was to abuse me by pm and then make my pm public. He was banned for that. Several days later we allowed him back. His response was to carry on where he left off.

I thought we were being more than fair, he obviously didn't.

SkellowRover wrote:

So martin you are saying there will be no development on the site? If not would you like a wager on it?

What do you define as the site?

Silent Majority wrote:
What do you define as the site?

Good question and one that most would love to have the answer to. I take it you do ?

Yes I do. I didn't sit in all those meetings without learning something. Remember I was determined to make sure that the stadium wasn't used as collateral or development land by anybody.

I know Skellow has always maintained that the Keepmoat 2 only wanted in so they could develop the land/site but its not possible. However I do know what can be done.

Therefore I don't mind having a wager with him (naive as I am!) about development of the site but first we have to define what the site is.

The away car park?

Dagenham Rover wrote:The away car park?

I was told a few years back that Keepmoat (when TB and DW 0wned it) had bought the land between the away car par and Chequer Avenue.

Wonder who owns it now?

Does it really matter who owns it? if its KM2 then they are applauded for foresight ( as at that time they had nothing to do with DRFC). In all probability if Keepmoat bought it, then as an asset it will now be owned by Carrilion.

The point is that Skellow quite clearly stated that the KM2 were hanging around for the development opportunity in much the same way as the/se consortium/a are at least 12 months ago and was laughed at.
There is money to be made now that the Keepmoat has been signed over on a lease and that's why everyone is interested in buying into the Rovers. Damn it let's not be coy ior naive here , investment companies don't go chasing after the likes of Rovers purely for the love it .
Time Bramall showed his hand.........high time!! It appears that the VSC are on the KM2 side against JR judging from the tone of the statements coming from you on the VSC forum Martin.
Are you entirely sure that you are remaining totally impartial on this matter ?

My understanding from most of the guff I've read on this topic is that VSC are wanting details of Who Were When variety before taking sides. Until this un-named Belize source is identified and the people involved in the Consortium are, and how much of the proposed "£20/40 million" will actually end up outside of the current owners pockets and all associated costs in the take-over is known then they are being cautious in lauding JR's wishes.
The recent threat of legal action hasn't done the consortium any favours with VSC either.
My own worry is more long term what if the promised land is not reached what if the thoughts of property development don't come to fruition where will DRFC figure in the thoughts of the Consortium or any other potential buyers?
As you say it would appear from the outside that Mr Bramall is starting to reveal his cards if he is the source of the 2nd takeover bid, again mainly down to property development, rather DRFC, Would he be a better option than the consortium? Remember what happened 2 years ago when his pockets grew deeper than his hands could reach , allegedly.
Lastly I get the impression from JR's recent downbeat interviews that he is thinking it is time for him to hand over the reins of our club and for things to move on to a possible new level. Just my interpretation

I think that Tb's alternate offer wont be as 'mouthwatering' for certain people on a the Board as Sequentia's

There is no alternate offer, that much is plain.

Irish Contingent wrote:There is no alternate offer, that much is plain.

JR has basically said the same thing. Seems Terry Bramall was just trying to derail the SC investment bid, i wonder why?

SkellowRover wrote:JR has basically said the same thing. Seems Terry Bramall was just trying to derail the SC investment bid, i wonder why?

Why if he can get a decent return for the money he has invested in the Rovers ? Surely if the stakes/opportunities aren't that high then this should be the riskfree route for Bramall to follow to recoup his money and plough it into harrogate Town ?

There must be a great opportunity for making money here, what is it , where is it and wouldn't the VSC be far better off digging into these questions and revealing it to their members. Currently they seem to be too pro TB and anti JR for my liking, surely TB is also looking at advancing his own aims otherwise an agreement would/could have been reached.

To seemingly claim that TB is purely altruistic and the guardian of Rovers is far too simplistic and that JR is not is ridiculous. So for the VSC to be surprised when a letter turns up on their desk threatening litigation when they allowed libellous posts to go unmoderated on their forum is both naive and disrespectful to the Chairman of our club and those wishing to invest in it.

I say this ........Terry if there is something in it for you and the others then bloody invest yourselves and reap the rewards later. The investment in the club so far, though welcome, has upto now (excluding JR) been pitifully poor at this level and with regard to their fortunes.

They all want a 'Drink' out of it, here's my solution so they can all have a 'Drink'
SC buy 100% 0f the shares (ohhh some bottoms are twitching!!!) they let JR buy 5% and he has to put 500K in every year for 4 years, DW buys 10% and he has to put £1 million p.a. in over the next 4 years, TB buys 15 % and he has to put £1.5 million p.a. in over 4 years, they all in vest in the casino ,Pub ,Hotel, Spa, Fairground to the value of their shares with SC, that way we get £20 million up front, and SC put in £5 million per annum for the next four years, that way they all get a 'Drink' and we get a bash at winning this league!!!!
You see JR,TB,DW,SC i'v sorted it and only want 50 k for my Consultancy fee!!!

SPROTYROVER wrote:They all want a 'Drink' out of it, here's my solution so they can all have a 'Drink'
SC buy 100% 0f the shares (ohhh some bottoms are twitching!!!) they let JR buy 5% and he has to put 500K in every year for 4 years, DW buys 10% and he has to put £1 million p.a. in over the next 4 years, TB buys 15 % and he has to put £1.5 million p.a. in over 4 years, they all in vest in the casino ,Pub ,Hotel, Spa, Fairground to the value of their shares with SC, that way we get £20 million up front, and SC put in £5 million per annum for the next four years, that way they all get a 'Drink' and we get a bash at winning this league!!!!
You see JR,TB,DW,SC i'v sorted it and only want 50 k for my Consultancy fee!!!

You should have been an advocate Sproty, however I'm warming to the idea. Better watch out a solicitors letter could be winging it's way to you right this minute if you are close to the truth here.  

I'm just watching all this unfold, it seems TB is desperate to hold onto what he's got for the very reason SC want to invest. It frustrates me so much that all of a sudden TB is seen as the 'saviour' by quite a number of people, seriously they need to get a grip. They seem to have very short memories and have forgotten how this bloke is worth half a billion pounds yet was only interested in covering the shortfall and during our last stint in the championship walked out on us saying he would not put another penny into the club. He then returns after we get the 99 lease and have the potential for development, yet nobody finds that odd or want to question this so soon after he spat his dummy out saying he wouldn't put another penny into the club? Yet people seem to trust this bloke more than JR are the moment which is rediculous!!!!
I trust JR as he wants whats best for the club whereas TB wants best for himself, better add an allegedly there

The 3 amigos have an agreement ( put in place by Ryan ) that they will only put in the club exactly the same amount as Ryan himself . ( Ryan put that in so the other 2 didn't "Run Away" with the amount of shares held by the KM2, cos as you know the cash is exchanged for shares ). So, if Ryan put in only 1 million, the others HAD to do same .

Silent Majority wrote:
If you insist on posting incorrect information then I should have a right to reply.

I didn't get anything wrong about Flitcroft, I expressed an opinion that pubteam took as fact and then decided to deride me for it. I sent him a pm explaining where I got the information from ( the CEO at Barnsley is my next door neighbour and we discuss football on a regular basis) his response was to abuse me by pm and then make my pm public. He was banned for that. Several days later we allowed him back. His response was to carry on where he left off.

I thought we were being more than fair, he obviously didn't.

   

It's funny what folk are prepared to say about you when they think you'll never read it!

This is complete bull. I didn't "deride" you, I didn't "abuse" you via PM, and I didn't "make your PM public".

I expressed an opinion on a thread (without directly quoting you or replying to you) that went against an opinion you expressed earlier in the thread. What you chose to do was deride me simply because I didn't bow down to your superior knowledge and expressed an opinion independent of your "inside information". You then sought me out via PM telling me not to abuse moderators (like I had anyway?!), in which I told you basically to get off my case because I hadn't done anything wrong other than express an opinion. I was banned for that. I missed the memo when disagreeing with someone and telling them to get off your back became classed as "abuse".

The moderators on the VSC forum can't tolerate anybody expressing an opinion that goes against their own, they can't tolerate being proven wrong, and they can't tolerate it when people call them out on their b.s., even when it is done in the tamest way possible. So what they do is shut people down who don't tow the party line, except their old friends who they are cushy with, who get off lightly when they step out of line on the forum.

The VSC police think they have power over everybody else, when all they are are moderators of an internet site, and when somebody comes along who may be to their dislike, they throw their weight around. Interesting also how the ban policy page on the VSC states "[their] belief in being firm, fair and open regarding moderation of the forums". Fair is very disputable, as is "open" - I haven't received an explanation from them of my ban, and I know several others who have been treated exactly the same.

Best thing to do then is set up a new forum or join a different one

SkellowRover wrote:I'm just watching all this unfold, it seems TB is desperate to hold onto what he's got for the very reason SC want to invest. It frustrates me so much that all of a sudden TB is seen as the 'saviour' by quite a number of people, seriously they need to get a grip. They seem to have very short memories and have forgotten how this bloke is worth half a billion pounds yet was only interested in covering the shortfall and during our last stint in the championship walked out on us saying he would not put another penny into the club. He then returns after we get the 99 lease and have the potential for development, yet nobody finds that odd or want to question this so soon after he spat his dummy out saying he wouldn't put another penny into the club? Yet people seem to trust this bloke more than JR are the moment which is rediculous!!!!
I trust JR as he wants whats best for the club whereas TB wants best for himself, better add an allegedly there

Now this may sound contradictory but I'm not sure of anyone's motives in this matter and yes that does include JR. As far as I can see the 'deal' is now dead in the water. Had the deal been that that good then their fingers would have been snapped off and their supposedly deep wallets would have been emptied quite some time ago. It would only have needed 2 of them to push this deal through and they haven't although one of them insists he does want to go ahead.
I believe that things at DRFC will remain in much the same way as they are now.

hoolahoop wrote:Now this may sound contradictory but I'm not sure of anyone's motives in this matter and yes that does include JR. As far as I can see the 'deal' is now dead in the water. Had the deal been that that good then their fingers would have been snapped off and their supposedly deep wallets would have been emptied quite some time ago. It would only have needed 2 of them to push this deal through and they haven't although one of them insists he does want to go ahead.
I believe that things at DRFC will remain in much the same way as they are now.

I agree Steve. I think the 2nd investor (The so called London hedge fund) was a damp squid (which JR himself has said) to stall and derail the SC bid. Strange that the 2nd bid was all being dealt with and brought to the table by TB or just a coincidence?
Like yourself i think things at the club will remain as they are and that investment will never happen. I would love to see TB prove me wrong, take over the club and out his hand in his pocket with a few million, but we know that's not going to happen as he's not interested. I do however have a feeling JR wont be around at this time next year, it's nothing i've been told it's just a gut feeling i have. There is a power struggle going on behind the scenes and that along with JR seeing the SC bid turn into nothing thanks to 'others' at the club makes me think he will just give up because his hands are tied.